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This is the fandom clarification post. The freeform tag post is here. Please ask any questions about fandoms on this post.

Gallifrey (Big Finish Audio)
  • Should this be treated like the MCU shows are to the MCU and kept separate or should it be folded into Doctor Who?

The Hobbit - J. R. R. Tolkien

  • The Elvenking - Who is this?
  • The Necromancer - Who is this?

Wiedźmin | The Witcher - All Media Types & Wiedźmin | The Witcher (Video Game)

  • Combine the game in with the All Media Types or split the All Media Types up?

The Silmarillion and other histories of Middle-Earth - J. R. R. Tolkien

  • First Age elven hunters - Who are these?
  • petty dwarves - Who are these?

The Handmaid's Tale (TV)

  • Ofglen #1 - Is this Emily?

Wait Till Helen Comes - Mary Downing Hahn

  • Rose Simmons - Can't confirm the existence of this character. Please explain.

Date: 2017-07-25 11:46 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Elvenking is Thranduil, but in the book he's referred to as Elvenking. The Necromancer is Sauron while he's staying in Dol Guldur, but in the book he's never named.

Date: 2017-07-25 11:53 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Elvenking (Hobbit) = Thranduil (LOTR)
Necromancer (Hobbit) = Sauron (LOTR)

Those are the names that were used in the book, basically.

The petty dwarves were a race of dwarves that was "hunted for sport" by the early elves, until they were basically extinct. I saw the hunted for sport tag and thought they fit really well! But if they don't meet character nom guidlines it's okay.

Date: 2017-07-26 01:59 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Ofglen #1 - Is this Emily?


Date: 2017-07-26 04:45 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Why was my nomination of group: Mithrellas/Nimrodel rejected for LotR?

Date: 2017-07-26 05:32 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I see, thank you. This is mainly an issue of Tolkien canon being a mess, I think. The reason why both I and the nonnie below nominated them (and Gilmith) under LotR rather than Crossovers is that both Mithrellas and Gilmith are part of the same chain of events that involves Nimrodel in LotR (in itself only a song and a brief bit of narration). The problem is that Mithrellas and Gilmith are never mentioned by name except in supplementary material about LotR from the Unfinished Tales (hence her being listed there as per the LotR wikia), but Mithrellas is one of Nimrodel's travel companions, and Gilmith is her daughter a little further down the line. They're there, just not visible from the POV that's given in LotR itself.

Would that make Nimrodel/Mithrellas and Mithrellas & Gilmith acceptable?

Date: 2017-07-26 05:53 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Just put them in Silmarillion instead, that's the time period they're actually in. They're definitely not in LOTR.

Date: 2017-07-26 06:19 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
That'd be dumb. Both these and LotR happen in the Third Age, only about 1,000 years apart. Please tell me how Mithrellas, Nimrodel and Gilmith have anything to do with the First or Second Age, wtf.

Date: 2017-07-26 07:25 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The AO3 Silm tag includes the other catch-all histories of middle earth though, not just First or Second Age. Not to mention the Silmarillion itself covers Third Age events -- 'Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age' is the last section of it.

Basically, if it's Middle Earth canon and not in Hobbit or LOTR, which these aren't, it goes in the Silm+HoME tag because that's the one for supplemental material.

Date: 2017-07-26 09:30 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
That's not how most of fandom uses the Silm tag, though - the vast majority of it features First/Second Age fic (including supplementary material, yes, but that's supplementary material to the Silm). I don't see why supplementary material that covers LotR should be lumped under Silmfic. That'd be as counterintuitive as sticking a story featuring Arathorn and Gilraen into Silmfic because they only appear in supplementary material, despite being Aragorn's parents and belonging to the LotR era.

Sorry, mods, this is what I meant when I said the source material was messy.

Date: 2017-07-27 12:47 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
No, because Aragorn's backstory is acually relevant to LOTR and in the appendices of LOTR.

Date: 2017-07-26 06:14 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I'd say combine all of Witcher in all media types. The characters or character groups are enough to tell what the requester wants.

Date: 2017-07-26 10:52 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Would it be possible to know why these nominations were rejected?

group: Mithrellas & Gilmith
group: Gilmith/Uinen
group: Finduilas of Dol Amroth/Uinen
(All under The Lord of the Rings)

Date: 2017-07-26 11:12 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Under Chronicles of Narnia - C.S. Lewis, there is a character under only "Chronicles of Narnia - C. S. Lewis)" whose name has disappeared on its way to the tagset. This was originally Caspian.

Date: 2017-07-26 03:03 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I requested video games for the witcher and I'm fine with AMT.

Date: 2017-07-26 06:17 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cypher
Pairing duplicate in Kill Six Billion Demons: Incubus/Jaggonath is also listed as Jaggonath/Incubus.

Date: 2017-07-27 08:16 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The fandom tags "Avatar: The Legend of Korra" and "Avatar: Legend of Korra" are both the same, with the latter being the canonical tag on AO3.

Under comics, Kill Six Billion Demons has "Incubus/Jaggonath" and "Jagganoth/Incubus", which are the same as well except that "Jagganoth" is the correct spelling.

Date: 2017-07-27 12:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] presidentpandak
I'm the nominator for Gallifrey and I think it should but separate. I know it's treated separately in Yuletide but I'm not sure what the criteria is for this exchange?

It has 8 seasons and the Doctor has never appeared in it, and Gallifrey isn't treated as canon by the main show so they remain pretty separate and distinct. They're different genres, Gallifrey is political drama like the West Wing, but in space, and in different mediums, TV vs audio drama.

Most of the characters in Gallifrey are original characters created for the spin off or ascended extras from the TV show. Two of the main characters are former companions of the Doctor but they're quite different to their TV counterparts due to age, some retconning of backstories, and their new careers, it would be hard to distinguish between the different versions if they were all in Doctor Who and most Doctor Who fans wouldn't recognise the Gallifrey-specific characters as the spin off is pretty obscure.

Date: 2017-07-28 07:06 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The fandom Blood Drive (TV) has "Group: Arthur Bailey/Christopher Carson" nominated, but according to IMBd Christopher's last name should be Carpenter.

Date: 2017-07-28 07:31 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Yo, under Kill Six Billion Demons the tag "Group: Incubus/Jaggonath" is spelled wrong. It should be "Group: Incubus/Jagganoth".


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